Comments on: Small vs. Large http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/ The next step in surround sound Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:10:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Chris Kyriakakis http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-740 Chris Kyriakakis Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:26:13 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-740 It's a good idea to run the calibration again in case there are any gain differences between the old amp and the new amp. That could affect the trim level settings. It’s a good idea to run the calibration again in case there are any gain differences between the old amp and the new amp. That could affect the trim level settings.

]]> By: madhineni http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-738 madhineni Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:27:17 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-738 Hi Chris, I have Denon 3808ci and planning to use an external amplifier for F, L and Center speakers. Do I need to change any of the settings provided by Audyssey? Hi Chris,

I have Denon 3808ci and planning to use an external amplifier for F, L and Center speakers. Do I need to change any of the settings provided by Audyssey?

]]> By: Chris Kyriakakis http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-733 Chris Kyriakakis Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:59:49 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-733 Hi Luke, It's OK to do as you suggest. The idea of setting a crossover for the speaker with the least bass extension is useful in products that don't allow individual crossover settings. That's not the case for the 4310 so this will be fine. Hi Luke,
It’s OK to do as you suggest. The idea of setting a crossover for the speaker with the least bass extension is useful in products that don’t allow individual crossover settings. That’s not the case for the 4310 so this will be fine.

]]> By: Luke http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-732 Luke Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:37:07 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-732 Hi, I set all my speakers to SMALL. My Denon AVR 4310 offers different crossover frequencies for each speaker-set. Since I have potent LRC speakers, I would set their crossover at 60Hz and the rears to 80Hz. Is this recommended or should the crossover be set to the value of the "smallest" sepaker? (so e.g. all to 80Hz) ? Hi, I set all my speakers to SMALL. My Denon AVR 4310 offers different crossover frequencies for each speaker-set. Since I have potent LRC speakers, I would set their crossover at 60Hz and the rears to 80Hz. Is this recommended or should the crossover be set to the value of the “smallest” sepaker? (so e.g. all to 80Hz) ?

]]> By: Chris Kyriakakis http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-728 Chris Kyriakakis Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:36:36 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-728 Hi Roy, If your front L and R speakers are set to Small (as they should be) then the bass from these speakers will be sent to the sub when you listen in 2-ch stereo. However, if you are using Pure Direct as the listening mode for stereo then all processing including Audyssey and Bass Management will be turned off and no bass will be sent to the subwoofer. Hi Roy,
If your front L and R speakers are set to Small (as they should be) then the bass from these speakers will be sent to the sub when you listen in 2-ch stereo. However, if you are using Pure Direct as the listening mode for stereo then all processing including Audyssey and Bass Management will be turned off and no bass will be sent to the subwoofer.

]]> By: Roy Midyett http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-725 Roy Midyett Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:30:05 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-725 Chris, I hope this basic question hasn't been asked: I have a Denon AVR 1609, 2 Paradigms and a Sub. It's all balanced with MultEq and sounds great. I just want to be sure of my settings: all modes (CD, DVD, Tuner) are set to 5.1 sound. It seemed like the Sub wasn't kicking in if set to 2 channel stereo. Am I OK? Chris,
I hope this basic question hasn’t been asked: I have a Denon AVR 1609, 2 Paradigms and a Sub. It’s all balanced with MultEq and sounds great. I just want to be sure of my settings: all modes (CD, DVD, Tuner) are set to 5.1 sound. It seemed like the Sub wasn’t kicking in if set to 2 channel stereo. Am I OK?

]]> By: Daniel Barlow http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-724 Daniel Barlow Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:15:01 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-724 Lot of good information in this. I just picked up the Marantz sr6004 and couldn't figure out why my subwoofer was only working with dvd movies and not with cd's or the tv. Setting speakers to small solved it in 10 seconds. Agreed shouldn't be a choice between lg and sm. Those are just misleading. thanks for your info Chris, Daniel Barlow Lot of good information in this. I just picked up the Marantz sr6004 and couldn’t figure out why my subwoofer was only working with dvd movies and not with cd’s or the tv. Setting speakers to small solved it in 10 seconds. Agreed shouldn’t be a choice between lg and sm. Those are just misleading.

thanks for your info Chris,

Daniel Barlow

]]> By: Chris Kyriakakis http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-711 Chris Kyriakakis Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:02:58 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-711 Hi Dave, You correctly turned the frequency knob on the back of the sub to the highest (200 Hz) setting. It should be left there for good. The redirecting of bass to the subwoofer is best done in the AVR and the filter on the sub just ends up interfering with that operation. For more sub setup tips with MultEQ please also take a look here: http://ask.audyssey.com/forums/84181/entries/76175.html The Small and Large settings are reset every time you run the calibration. So, there is no point in setting them beforehand as they will be ignored. Just set them after it's finished and they will stay there. Hi Dave,

You correctly turned the frequency knob on the back of the sub to the highest (200 Hz) setting. It should be left there for good. The redirecting of bass to the subwoofer is best done in the AVR and the filter on the sub just ends up interfering with that operation. For more sub setup tips with MultEQ please also take a look here:
http://ask.audyssey.com/forums/84181/entries/76175.html

The Small and Large settings are reset every time you run the calibration. So, there is no point in setting them beforehand as they will be ignored. Just set them after it’s finished and they will stay there.

]]> By: Dave Harper http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-709 Dave Harper Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:16:24 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-709 Hi Chris, Fantastic service you're providing us amateurs, please keep it up. My question (as most do) relates to bass management. I have a Denon 2310 and Mordaunt Short Aviano speakers (5 front, 6 surround, 7 sub). In the Audyssey guide and on Batpigs blog it says to set the sub frequency as high as possible to give the auto-setup a better signal. Now, on the back of the 7 there is a knob that is scaled from 0 to 200 indicated as Frequency so before starting the auto-setup I turned that to the max. I also set the surround speakers to 'small' as per the recommendations on your blog. After doing the 6 mic positions and saving the results I reviewed the parameters and noticed that the Denon had reset the speakers to large and put the crossover freq to 40Hz. Again following guidance on the blog I manually changed the speaker setup to 'small' and the crossover frequency to 80Hz. The bit that I'm not not sure about is what to do with the frequency control on the back of the sub? Do I leave it at 200Hz or turn it down to approximate the 80Hz position? (There are no graduations to guide me). Thanks in anticipation! Dave Harper Hi Chris, Fantastic service you’re providing us amateurs, please keep it up. My question (as most do) relates to bass management. I have a Denon 2310 and Mordaunt Short Aviano speakers (5 front, 6 surround, 7 sub). In the Audyssey guide and on Batpigs blog it says to set the sub frequency as high as possible to give the auto-setup a better signal. Now, on the back of the 7 there is a knob that is scaled from 0 to 200 indicated as Frequency so before starting the auto-setup I turned that to the max. I also set the surround speakers to ’small’ as per the recommendations on your blog.
After doing the 6 mic positions and saving the results I reviewed the parameters and noticed that the Denon had reset the speakers to large and put the crossover freq to 40Hz. Again following guidance on the blog I manually changed the speaker setup to ’small’ and the crossover frequency to 80Hz.
The bit that I’m not not sure about is what to do with the frequency control on the back of the sub? Do I leave it at 200Hz or turn it down to approximate the 80Hz position? (There are no graduations to guide me).
Thanks in anticipation!

Dave Harper

]]> By: Chris Kyriakakis http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/#comment-702 Chris Kyriakakis Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:38:06 +0000 http://www.audyssey.com/blog/?p=66#comment-702 Hi George, MultEQ doesn't care what the speaker impedance is. It simply measures the speakers that are connected and creates a set of filters to correct their response problems in your room. As I mentioned in my blog, Small and Large are completely arbitrary industry definitions that have changed over time! Most AVRs today use 40 Hz as the decision point between Small and Large and so your speakers seem to be measuring right on that border. The specs are theoretical and don't take into account where the speakers are in the room, how close they are to the walls, etc. That can greatly influence the low frequency response. Starting at 80 Hz is probably a wise choice. That will redirect more content to the sub where the MultEQ XT filters have 8x more resolution and will be able to produce a flatter response. Hi George,
MultEQ doesn’t care what the speaker impedance is. It simply measures the speakers that are connected and creates a set of filters to correct their response problems in your room.

As I mentioned in my blog, Small and Large are completely arbitrary industry definitions that have changed over time! Most AVRs today use 40 Hz as the decision point between Small and Large and so your speakers seem to be measuring right on that border. The specs are theoretical and don’t take into account where the speakers are in the room, how close they are to the walls, etc. That can greatly influence the low frequency response. Starting at 80 Hz is probably a wise choice. That will redirect more content to the sub where the MultEQ XT filters have 8x more resolution and will be able to produce a flatter response.

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